03:17:21 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro: You saw the Eye of Tirth thing or whatever right
03:17:27 < Arson-> Phoenix comes to mind first.
03:17:32 < Arson-> Franklin Richards.
03:17:38 < Arson-> Psylocke's brother whose name escapes me.
03:17:40 <@Kojiro> Shonik-Bed: Yes.
03:17:46 < Arson-> !google comicvine
03:17:49 <%Shonik-Bed> Arson: first you say Phoenix then you say Psylocke
03:17:55 <%Shonik-Bed> are you sure you're not talking about the Ace Attorney series
03:18:00 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro: Your thoughts?
03:18:06 < Arson-> They're X-Men characters.
03:18:36 <@Kojiro> I have a terrible suspicion that it's all a set-up for some joke wish, like how DTIRU was made specifically for the reveal of the guy in charge.
03:18:48 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro: I think that's what most people are expecting
03:18:55 <%Shonik-Bed> I intend to enter regardless though
03:19:07 <%Shonik-Bed> I have four chars (two of them are groups) that are worth entering and by god they will enter
03:19:24 <@Kojiro> Also I can see a lot of ways it can go wrong. And... Does anyone know what the actual objectives are? Get the Eye, yes, but is there anything on /how/ to do that yet?
03:19:30 <%Shonik-Bed> No, no
03:19:32 <%Shonik-Bed> that's not the objective.
03:19:39 <%Shonik-Bed> let me find the wiki page
03:20:18 <%Shonik-Bed> http://tcd.drshnaps.com/index.php?title=RP:The_Eye_of_Tirth
03:20:50 <%Shonik-Bed> Basically, when there's one participant left, they're the winner
03:21:10 <%Shonik-Bed> To get rid of other participants, you either: A. Get them to willingly give up their Claim, or B. Kill them
03:21:40 <@Kojiro> Ah.
03:21:51 <@Kojiro> That's actually worse than what I imagined.
03:22:05 <%Shonik-Bed> It is, yes - which is why I think most of the bar is dropping out
03:22:09 <%Shonik-Bed> I know, for example, Ell is
03:22:23 <%Shonik-Bed> He wouldn't want to have to kill or even go up against any other members of TCD who may be involved
03:22:49 < Arson-> Jamie Braddock.
03:22:50 <%Shonik-Bed> To be honest I think the idea's pretty neat
03:22:52 <%Shonik-Bed> the only PROBLEM
03:22:52 < Arson-> That's it.
03:23:01 <%Shonik-Bed> is that it's entirely plausible that there will be a lot of dead characters by the end of this
03:23:13 < Arson-> Jamie Braddock saw reality as a series of strings, and he could change reality by tugging on the right strings.
03:23:16 <%Shonik-Bed> to be fair, you have the option to not be included, even if you are a proper candidate
03:23:22 <%Shonik-Bed> so you're acknowledging the risks involved
03:23:27 < Arson-> He's brought HIMSELF back from the dead before by tugging on strings.
03:23:38 < Arson-> Even after being decapitated.
03:23:44 <%Shonik-Bed> Thankfully I imagine most people will give up their claim before death
03:23:54 <%Shonik-Bed> unthankfully that won't help much if you're fighting a sociopath
03:23:57 <%Shonik-Bed> there's bound to be pleeenty of those
03:24:21 <%Shonik-Bed> So yeah. I like the concept, I'm afraid of certain outcomes but want to see how this plays out.
03:24:37 <%Shonik-Bed> I just wish Calligraph was around to be in it. ;-;
03:24:41 <%Shonik-Bed> he's have loved this
03:24:44 <%Shonik-Bed> ...
03:24:53 <@Kojiro> Shonik-Bed: There's also the problem that KG included /everyone/ by default. That means that people who the /player/ doesn't want in this are, and who wouldn't drop out in-character.
03:24:53 <%Shonik-Bed> fuck now I have a /fifth/ participant
03:24:56 <%Shonik-Bed> technically a group
03:25:02 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro: Everyone in the universe, yeah, that's true
03:25:11 <@Kojiro> Unless people want to handwave it.
03:25:24 <%Shonik-Bed> I think they can handwave it
03:25:31 <%Shonik-Bed> I don't think KG would ban that that'd be dickish
03:25:32 <@Kojiro> I dislike universe-spanning things in general, except when they have /really/ good justifications.
03:25:41 <%Shonik-Bed> Yeah, I'm not sure about the whole universe
03:25:45 <%Shonik-Bed> I mean, it's half good, half bad
03:25:54 <@Kojiro> Flarivia is now a warzone.
03:25:59 <%Shonik-Bed> It's not, actually.
03:26:03 <%Shonik-Bed> The whole thing
03:26:06 <%Shonik-Bed> is taking place in DownTown
03:26:15 <%Shonik-Bed> you have to go to DownTown to participate
03:26:20 <@Kojiro> Well then.
03:26:23 <%Shonik-Bed> oh this reminds me
03:26:31 <%Shonik-Bed> I technically have four groups, six participants total
03:26:33 <%Shonik-Bed> the one I forgot
03:26:35 <%Shonik-Bed> are the shonikados
03:26:36 <%Shonik-Bed> all of them.
03:26:37 <@Kojiro> DownTown is, once again, going to be a hellhole of chaos and destruction.
03:26:39 <%Shonik-Bed> KG said they're allowed in.
03:26:55 < Arson-> I think it's time for bed.
03:26:57 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro: Well it /is/ the "center" of the univeres.
03:26:59 <%Shonik-Bed> *universe
03:27:05 <@Kojiro> Except it isn't.
03:27:08 <%Shonik-Bed> Anything that spans the entire universe probably will take place in DownTown
03:27:12 < Arson-> Sooo... Good night, TCD. See you later today.
03:27:17 <%Shonik-Bed> I'm pretty sure it is. Not the actual center not the actual edge
03:27:17 <@Kojiro> And has been stated to not be the center numerous times.
03:27:18 <%Shonik-Bed> night Arson
03:27:21 <@Kojiro> Goodnight Arson.
03:27:25 < Arson-> Night night.
03:27:27 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro: Yes I... put it...in quotes
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03:27:32 <%Shonik-Bed> unless you mean it's not even the /hub/
03:27:38 <%Shonik-Bed> which is a more accurate term
03:27:39 <@Kojiro> I mean that in every sense, yes.
03:27:42 <%Shonik-Bed> Oh, well.
03:27:46 <@Kojiro> It's just a town that a lot of stuff happens in.
03:27:54 <@Kojiro> So is Metropolis.
03:28:06 <%Shonik-Bed> I'm pretty sure it's the "center" considering all of the random portals all over the universe that open up to it
03:28:07 <@Kojiro> So are a lot of other places.
03:28:11 <@Kojiro> We just /focus/ on this one.
03:28:20 <%Shonik-Bed> yes but Metropolis isn't in a dimension
03:28:47 <%Shonik-Bed> and since it's in a dimension DownTown could hypothetically be a sort of nexus of the universe and was it ever stated in canon not to be
03:28:51 <%Shonik-Bed> I honestly don't remember that
03:29:00 <@Kojiro> Also, a single wish, when we've had things like genies and divine boons... Heck, that one character of Zeph's that gave Hitomi her immunity tossed around wishes left and right. I don't see why this had to span the entire /universe/.
03:29:30 <%Shonik-Bed> Again, I think it spans the entire universe to allow us - and maybe KG - to bring in chars from all over, even new ones just for the sake of providing content
03:29:37 <@Kojiro> Shonik-Bed: Yes and it pissed PG off because it isn't. It's a really interesting town in its own dimension, but it's not some sort of universal special place, as far as I know.
03:29:56 <%Shonik-Bed> I'm pretty sure what pissed off PG was it being called the center. Without quotes
03:30:12 <@Kojiro> Yes. Except some people don't /like/ other people shoving their things into their isolated parts of the universe that are deliberated /not/ involved with all this.
03:30:30 <%Shonik-Bed> yeah I was about to say that and then you said your center thing
03:30:58 <%Shonik-Bed> it does declare canon on every single planet ever
03:31:10 <%Shonik-Bed> except for Overworld and Solenoid because I say no
03:31:24 <@Kojiro> Both Jiang's village and, on an even more extreme level, Kojiro's planet, do not need this sort of thing. It messes with the whole concept behind them, and the voices in their heads would be terribad for all the planned religion and philosophies and whatnot I have planned.
03:31:49 <%Shonik-Bed> well then ignore it! I'm sure that KG would understand and if he doesn't he'll have me to contend with
03:32:03 <%Shonik-Bed> in fact, if this comes up in some argument
03:32:16 <%Shonik-Bed> I am saying I have a planet in the works that if this happened to them it would fuck everything over
03:32:25 <%Shonik-Bed> but only if it comes up
03:32:34 <%Shonik-Bed> I don't want to lie for a bad reason. Only a good one.
03:33:17 <%Shonik-Bed> I think it is the "center" of the universe though I'm pretty sure that's why Geran set up there
03:34:04 <%Shonik-Bed>   I wonder if we're treating this the wrong way
03:34:10 <@Kojiro> Actually that's not Geran's base. The Geran Tower is just one of multiple Geran buildings.
03:34:21 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro: I know it's not the main one I'm aware Geran isn't even there
03:34:29 <@Kojiro> He's all over as far as I know. I don't think Geran himself is even in- Yeah.
03:34:39 <%Shonik-Bed> but I recall it being set up there because of its importance as, again, the "center"
03:34:50 <%Shonik-Bed> to be honest why /wouldn't/ it be?
03:34:57 <%Shonik-Bed> It opens up portals all over the universe. Everywhere.
03:35:03 <%Shonik-Bed> If anything should be called the "center" it should be DownTown
03:35:16 <%Shonik-Bed> unless there's another dimension that does the same thing
03:35:20 <%Shonik-Bed> in which we'd have competition
03:35:35 <%Shonik-Bed>   but back on what I was saying about us treating this the wrong way
03:35:49 <%Shonik-Bed>   maybe this is just supposed to be some sort of fun excuse for a battle royale
03:36:09 <%Shonik-Bed>   I don't know if it should be treated as majorly canon or even canon at all
03:36:28 <@Kojiro> Yes, but the thing is, TCD is a shared narrative. When people do big things like this, they affect /everyone/.
03:36:55 <%Shonik-Bed> Well maybe we should just treat it as a break from the shared narrative for now
03:37:10 <%Shonik-Bed> ignore it as actual canon until KG is here and explicitly says so
03:37:26 <%Shonik-Bed> which I doubt unless he intends to have a set char win and wish that none of this ever happened
03:37:39 <%Shonik-Bed>   which... would actually work. But be half pointless. Or at least from that point on
03:37:44 <%Shonik-Bed> depends on how it's handled?
03:37:46 <%Shonik-Bed> I can see it working
03:38:28 <%Shonik-Bed> shit where did I put that backstory paper
03:38:42 <@Kojiro> It'd render anything anyone did pointless, yes. De-canonize any character development from it.
03:39:00 <@Kojiro> And, if characters acted specific ways in /other/ RPs because of those events...
03:39:10 <%Shonik-Bed> Because of what events?
03:39:17 <%Shonik-Bed> Kojiro you do realize that
03:39:19 <%Shonik-Bed> until it ends
03:39:34 <%Shonik-Bed> I am pretty sure /nobody/ can port anything over from that RP into anything else?
03:39:38 <%Shonik-Bed> It's a game in which people can /die/
03:39:44 <%Shonik-Bed> you can't assume anything!
03:39:45 <@Kojiro> Why is that?
03:39:53 <%Shonik-Bed> It could cause paradoxes
03:40:00 <@Kojiro> Isn't it happening in real-time? It's not a continuation RP is it?
03:40:06 <%Shonik-Bed> No, it's not real time
03:40:18 <%Shonik-Bed> I am pretty sure it's a single event taking place in DownTown for some unknown amount of time
03:40:24 <@Kojiro> This was stated?
03:40:40 <%Shonik-Bed> It may have been. It's my assumption but it seems like it'd be the logical outcome here
03:40:56 <%Shonik-Bed> considering that all of the people involved will be in DownTown, and leaving causes them to be disqualified
03:41:12 <%Shonik-Bed> It's like a cage match. I don't think you /can/ have it be real-time.
03:41:27 <%Shonik-Bed> It'd ban participants from RPing anything that leaves DT
03:41:31 <%Shonik-Bed> And that's a lot!
03:41:40 <%Shonik-Bed> also it could fuck over RPs anyway
03:41:59 <%Shonik-Bed> like people in the middle of an RP breaking out into trying to remove each other's Claims
03:42:57 <%Shonik-Bed> so yeah, I don't think it's in Realtime
03:42:58 <@Kojiro> Just because it /should/ be that way doesn't mean it /is/. This needs direct confirmation.
03:43:13 <%Shonik-Bed> I am going to call you Kristoph Gavin
03:43:17 <%Shonik-Bed> because that is who you are right now
03:43:26 <%Shonik-Bed> despite the fact that I can totally see where you're coming from with this
03:44:50 <@Kojiro> This is important. I'd like confirmation because it is a major thing.
03:45:03 <%Shonik-Bed> apparently you have to contact KG before introducing a new character into the game
03:45:17 <%Shonik-Bed> that would make running it even in other people's RPs really difficult and ridiculous
03:45:38 <%Shonik-Bed> But yeah, Kojiro, it would not only be extremely stupid but /horribly/ TCD-breaking to run it realtime
03:45:59 <%Shonik-Bed> I declare common sense to dictate that it takes place in a series
03:46:15 <@Kojiro> Which is exactly why I want confirmation on how it's running.
03:46:17 <%Shonik-Bed> not that I'm saying you shouldn't ask KG when he comes on that's fine
03:46:20 <%Shonik-Bed> ...
03:46:22 <%Shonik-Bed> ooooh, so
03:46:23 <@Kojiro> Common sense has been defied in the past.
03:46:25 <%Shonik-Bed> you're wondering if
03:46:25 <%Shonik-Bed> yeah.
03:46:28 <%Shonik-Bed> ...when?
03:46:45 <@Kojiro> Lots of times. It usualy spawns an argument.
03:46:47 <@Kojiro> *usually
03:47:08 <%Shonik-Bed> you know, if
03:47:13 <%Shonik-Bed> if it /is/ Realtime
03:47:34 <%Shonik-Bed> there's the chance that people will make RPs to tilt things in their favor, or at least screw people over indiscriminately, or just further things along
03:47:39 <%Shonik-Bed> I know I would. One of those three.
03:48:26 <%Shonik-Bed> Anyway, so
03:48:33 <%Shonik-Bed> if it /isn't/ Realtime
03:48:39 <@Kojiro> Hm.
03:48:41 <%Shonik-Bed> then that counters your issue regarding character development
03:48:42 <%Shonik-Bed> yes?
03:49:02 <@Kojiro> That particular issue, yes. Not the one about encroaching on everyone's stuff though.
03:49:27 <%Shonik-Bed> you know this reminds me
03:49:33 <%Shonik-Bed> of the Flarivian War arc
03:49:43 <%Shonik-Bed> I'm sure you remember that issue
03:50:14 <@Kojiro> Hm?
03:50:29 <@Kojiro> I'm tired at the moment, sorry.
03:50:42 <%Shonik-Bed> Remember when the bar was supposed to be in lockdown for about a week?
03:51:05 <@Kojiro> Right.
03:51:35 <%Shonik-Bed> I'm pretty sure the makeshift explanation was that the gods just intervened or something
03:51:49 <%Shonik-Bed> despite the fact that it probably wouldn't fit with all of the stuff that happened that week anyway
03:52:29 <%Shonik-Bed> honestly I liked just having it sort of detached from the timeline, in this "It happened! But not anywhere in particular" state
03:53:26 <%Shonik-Bed> TCD is good at having a really undefined timeline while still having things change
03:53:33 <%Shonik-Bed> although occasionally
03:53:37 <%Shonik-Bed> there's the confusing bits
03:53:55 <%Shonik-Bed> I recall something really hard to pin down involving Krean, Lobrai and Carpe Seizum
03:54:01 <%Shonik-Bed> and maybe Dirk?
03:54:17 <%Shonik-Bed> EA apparently took a month too
03:54:40 <%Shonik-Bed> and during that time Dirk became a Dark Knight and went back again
03:54:42 <@Kojiro> You know, I think that the best way to do universe-affecting things is to /threaten/ it maybe, but not actually /affect/ it. Like, compare this thing or Zeph's thing where everyone in the universe felt ill or something with Eldred's Abyss stuff or a plot where someone is making a super-weapon that could wipe out any planet.
03:55:17 <%Shonik-Bed> Zeph's what
03:55:21 <@Kojiro> Latter two, both are big deals as well, but unlike the former you're not sticking yourself/your dick into someone else's material.